Monday, November 26, 2012

I don't know about you guys, but classified programs don't mean that American citizens shouldn't pay any attention to them. It's not as if Russian and China don't know more about US classified programs than US tax payers. I supposed if Expat is just a visitor here, than it's none of his business, and if he isn't the least bit curious about something as high tech as the X-37B and in Space related topics, then his axe to grind with Hoagland and Bara is simply petty, personal bullshit.
NASA is sloppy, corrupt and needs much more peer review.  All the public can do is just accept what ever it is they hand us about Mars.  Since there is obviously no practical way to independently duplicate Curiosity's activities, then it really isn't science.  NASA abuses it's power of agency over the information and is not honestly accountable to the tax payers who enable an elite group of assholes the privilege of hoarding knowledge.  NASA has been getting a free pass, based on sentiment and bullshit.  Fuck NASA.

"A corrected edition of 'AA ot M'?" 30 Comments

The Emoluments of Mars

        Nah—just kidding. Mike wouldn't do that. But I couldn't resist teasing him when he announced a special 'Black Friday' deal on his primitive blog. Dear Mike--

Isn't it time for a corrected edition? Your readers surely deserve better than fuzzy pictures of Proclus, Asada and Picard when LROC strips of these craters exist at 100x better resolution.

It would give you an opportunity, too, to retract the Italian scan of East Massif -- given that Davide De Martin, who did the scan, has said the "spar" is a scanning fault.

I hope you'd also eliminate your excruciatingly wrong paragraph about the appearance of Earth from space.

On the other hand, I guess the down side is that, if you corrected the book, there wouldn't be much left of it. New readers can decode the text by referring back to these bloggeries:

Proclus and Asada
Picard
Italian scan of East Massif
Earth from Space (error #15)

Any bets on whether he'll allow the comment to appear?

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Blogger Misti Parker said...
I wouldn't dream of pre-judging the fantasy.
November 24, 2012 2:24 PM
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Anonymous Strahlungsamt said...
Oh God!

Now that Bad Astronomy has moved to Slate, the quality of the comments has gone straight to the gutter.

I just went to the page about the exciting discovery on Mars that NASA is supposedly covering up, scrolled down to the comments until I found this (copied and pasted with all spelling errors intact).

Thomas Turk
Why would nasa tell you anything now. They altered the color phots of previous Mars photos to show red instead of blue atmosphere. They degraded the Mars 'Face' to make it look like a natural piece of rock, wheres early shots showed symmetry, teeth, eyes etc. They ignored the geometric structures, mechanicak parts etc that the airbrushers omitted to airbrush out, so why expect anyjthing now, apart from maybe... microbes.

If you open www.theyfly.com you will need to re-organise your thinking and, you will defintiely stop waiting for snippets of info/misinfo from nasa. After all it was agreed at Brookings in 1958 that should there be any discoveries of past civilizations in our solar system in the upcoming space programs, they would not be disseminated.


The question is, is this Hoagie or one of his sheep/followers?
And that's not the worst of them. Trouble is, Slate gets a different audience from Discovery so Donald Trump's hair and Obama's birth cert get brought up quite a bit. Not to mention Tea partiers complaining about NASA wasting their precious tax dollars.
November 24, 2012 2:29 PM
Blogger Misti Parker said...
NASA and Hoagland are hiding the fact that there is nothing to hide.

If anything, they manufacture a Brookings friendly veneer to cover the fact that the supposed ETs are actually inter dimensional; the Watchers.

If man is descended from Martians, or vice versa, who perhaps came from Orion, or even if they are Space NAZIS, then at least we are all the same species.

The next step would be for our cousins to share their high technology in benevolent fashion, and support our system of government.

Of course some new fangled religion must also be established, because otherwise people might not be so willing to submit their sovereignty to the New World Order under control of demonic forces.

November 24, 2012 3:26 PM
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Blogger expat said...
PLEASE PLEASE stop posting bullshit.
November 24, 2012 3:54 PM
Blogger Biological_Unit said...
Sorry "lady", humans evolved in Earth Gravity, just like every other living specie. An Inter-generational Star Ship, spinning to provide Gravity, would have stopped nearby. It would be a super valuable resource to ANY civilization! No such thing is out there!
November 24, 2012 3:56 PM
Blogger Julian Janssen said...
Expat,

I just looked at the 5-part rebuttal by Bara about the Lunar Ziggurat and one thing that jumped out at me when he tried to reduce the noise in the pic (or even before, for that matter) is how it looks like a very poorly-produced FAKE. From memory, it looks like it has a higher sun-angle than other parts of the pic, but even more, there are very clearly defined edges, where, if we're talking about back-scatter, wouldn't its effects be more pronounced higher on the wall than at the bottom, which would have next to none?
November 24, 2012 4:41 PM
Blogger Julian Janssen said...
Misti,
WTF? Enough said.
November 24, 2012 4:44 PM
Blogger expat said...
Julian: wow, that was brave. The full exchange between Bara and Robbins is book-length, almost literally.

I agree with you but I think it was done rather well -- in other words, not too obviously.
November 24, 2012 4:53 PM
Blogger Misti Parker said...
Don't have a cow, Pattacakes.

I don't know if any such thing is out there or not, Bioillogical Eunuch, but the bullshit that I posted here, is Hoagland's as much as NASASS'. I thought that this page was supposed to be about such hokum.

It's even current news. Isn't it fair to speculate what sort of bullshit that Hoagland is likely to excrete next?

Or is NASA just somebody's sacred cow?
November 24, 2012 5:27 PM
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Blogger Julian Janssen said...
Well, I'm not saying Bara or Hoagland did it. I remember reading it can be traced to 2003 and, as far as I know, they didn't start commenting on the alleged ziggurat until more recenty. I have a hypothesis that maybe it was not originally photoshopped to represent what is currently on the moon. Maybe someone examined te original shot from NASA an thought it looked like an ancient ziggurat with a lot of wear and tear and wanted to show what that ziggurat may have looked like (sort of an artist's conceptual rendering).
November 24, 2012 5:37 PM
Blogger expat said...
Goddamit, Misti, you are really, really slow on the uptake aren't you?

>>Or is NASA just somebody's sacred cow? <<

I REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT: YOU COULD HAVE READ THE GFAJ-1 TAKE-DOWN RIGHT HERE.
November 24, 2012 6:26 PM
Blogger Julian Janssen said...
Expat,
I have read all of Robbin's argument about the Ziggurat, but have yet to finish Bara's original claim and parts of his rebuttal (most of the way through). To my mind, he has the burden of proof thing completely backwards. Robbins does not have to prove anything, Bara does. Someone might think that's a strange statement, but from my experience, it is the person who is making the affirmative case in a debate that needs to establish their argument. He makes extraordinary claims (ie, there is an ancient artifact on the moon) and he needs to have demonstrated that the best evidence shows that it is there. And that has not been demonstrated. He can't even provide real evidence that the photo is genuine. Oh well.
November 24, 2012 6:50 PM
Blogger expat said...
The burden of proof is on Bara, no question at all. He failed.
November 24, 2012 7:37 PM
Blogger John Cooper said...
What Misty is trying to tell you is:
What NASA would say if you asked them if they like butter milk?
then NASA is going to say: Ay Caramba Dick..... How did they find out about the damned butter milk?
November 24, 2012 8:24 PM
Blogger John Cooper said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=yvoKZRu6fTE&NR=1
November 24, 2012 8:33 PM
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November 24, 2012 9:11 PM
Blogger John Cooper said...
The Return of Holy Cow!

NASA is just another kind of modern religion using the old brain washing methods! At the time when people start to losing faith in that religion the ruling elite will send false prophets to state that there is something which is sacred and hidden from them and it's so holy that cannot be told! Then the people regain their faith waiting for that missing part to come and so the cow becomes holy but also her milk and shit as well!
November 25, 2012 12:03 AM
Blogger Biological_Unit said...
You nailed it!
November 25, 2012 12:38 AM
Blogger expat said...
John, I don't follow you at all, but perhaps I'm not supposed to.
November 25, 2012 8:11 AM
Blogger Julian Janssen said...
Same here. Very obscure.
November 25, 2012 12:50 PM
Blogger Misti Parker said...
John is making perfect sense to me, sarcastic, though he may be.
November 25, 2012 9:13 PM
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Blogger Misti Parker said...
Frank Schweinefleischposted
to Mike Bara
6 hours ago

How did you first meet Dr Hoagland, Mike, and get the gig as co-writer? Is it true that Preston Nicols actually ghost wrote Monuments of Mars?


Mike Bara
That is not true. Richard wrote every word of Monuments. I started writing web articles for Richard's site in the mid-90's and we put the book together in 2007 out of a selection of them.

4 hours ago

Frank Schweinefleisch
Who is the crazy hacker that keeps jamming Dr Hoagland's FB page? Is it Preston Nicols? Why does he have such a big grudge against the good captain? I figured it must be like some ghost that didn't get paid. Did you and Dr Hoagland split 50/50?

a few seconds ago
November 25, 2012 9:28 PM
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Blogger FlightSuit said...
Somebody should inform Frank Schweinefleisch that Richard Hoagland is not a doctor.
November 25, 2012 11:28 PM
Blogger Trained Observer said...
I'm always amazed when NASA is talked about as though it were SPECTRE, or KAOS.
November 26, 2012 5:44 AM
Blogger expat said...
Looks as though Frank Schweinefleisch is Misti, and vice versa.
November 26, 2012 6:33 AM
Blogger Chris Lopes said...
Anyone who has seen Hoagland's presentations can tell he wrote MoM. Both have the same dreary, unrelenting self-importance with nothing backing it up that Hoagland does so well. He really doesn't need any help in being that awful.
November 26, 2012 8:07 AM
Blogger expat said...
Misti (or Frank Pork-Chop): Why would you expect to be given information about the X-37B? It's a classified project.
November 26, 2012 8:53 AM
Blogger Julian Janssen said...
So I guess Mike Bara likes a Pravda piece that calls Obama a Communist. LMAO. I can't allow myself to read the whole article. Two big honking lies in the first few sentences is enough. The second was saying that Obama raised faxes. He WANTS to raise taxes on high income households, but so far, he has only CUT taxes. Payroll tax cut anyone? Making work pay tax credit anyone? And Mike Bara says, about the article: I couldn't have said it better. If that's true, Mike, maybe you're in tge wrong business...
November 26, 2012 1:03 PM
Blogger Misti Parker said...
The X-37B is a mini Space Shuttle The Space Shuttle has been scrapped and it's secret military missions have been allocated to the X-37B under the Airforce instead of NASA.

With Hoagland's big interest in the Space Shuttle, I find it utterly amazing and curious as hell, that he deletes all questions from his facebutt page about the X-37B, unless his is under a sworn oath of secrecy.

After all, he was a big promoter of nuclear powered Project Prometheus before the X-37B came into play, and now he won't talk about that either, anymore.

Even more curiously ironic, is that nobody here want's to criticize Hoagland's hypocrisy on these issues.
November 26, 2012 2:23 PM
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Blogger Misti Parker said...
I don't know about you guys, but classified programs don't mean that American citizens shouldn't pay any attention to them. It's not as if Russian and China don't know more about US classified programs than US tax payers. I supposed if Expat is just a visitor here, than it's none of his business, and if he isn't the least bit curious about something as high tech as the X=37B and in Space related topics, then his axe to grind with Hoagland and Bara is simply petty, personal bullshit.
November 26, 2012 2:29 PM
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